Why bother saying anything

You know I was finally going to jump in on the very interesting discussion that has been going on this weekend about Shyftr and their taking of blog posts via the RSS feed; or however they do it, and locking it behind their walls so that they could build a community of comments around something that didn’t originate on their site or from their minds.

I was going to talk about the finer points that both Tony Hung and Mark Evans brought to the table about how they didn’t think what was being done was so cool; or how Mathew Ingram thinks it is crossing a line. I was even going to debate the finer points of Frederic’s statement of letting them steal his content or even discuss Louis‘ points about how it’s fine for someone to take his content; with attribution of course, and build a business out of it.

I would have willingly discussed the fact that there is a big huge difference between what FriendFeed and even Techmeme is doing in contrast to what Shyftr is doing. It would have been interesting to raise the point that even though FriendFeed posts only the headline portion of any blog post thereby still letting the originating author retain control. It would have been equally interesting to point out that even though FriendFeed can post any comments made on your post people can still click back to the original to comment.

Additionally it would have been interesting to raise the point that Disqus is working hard to make it a two street so that comments made on FriendFeed would come back to the blog. It would have been interesting to talk about companies that seem to care about the author having some say – some control over their content even though Robert Scoble suggests that the content creators should give up on the idea of it ever being their content anymore.

But really what is the point of saying anything when all you are going to be told is that you’ll never amount to anything

22 Comments

  1. 13/04/08 at 0:01

    One of the tags you used for this post was “discussion”. One of the downsides to a good discussion is opposing viewpoints, and whether it's politics or 140 character tweets, one's perspective can always impact the way something is interpreted. Let's pretend first of all, that Robert Seidman, this example, thinks you have no value. Does his comment outweigh all the positive things you've received from me and from the hundreds of others and thousands of visitors you get? I think not. And if it's a discussion, keep going and call BS. But don't shy away. That's not the Steven I know.

  2. 13/04/08 at 0:10

    He's a total Nimrod Steven and I'm sure you know that you should be ignoring that comment just like I am. Doesn't he know that we totally ghost write for Louis and because we love him so much, we let him get all the credit?

    You put your perspective in because you have awesomesauce fans that are drooling on their keyboards waiting to hear it! Like me! =) Fuck what others have to say about it. People will hate, so let them hate and watch your fans pile on them!!! LONG LIVE WINEXTRA and I'm looking forward to your thoughts on this bitchmeme. You're the Godfather of cranky for crying out loud! Where's your crankiness man?!

    On a more serious note, where it says “0 Comments” next to “Save to del.icio.us”, could you change that link because it seriously had me going in a loop back to WinExtra for about 5 minutes before I noticed that I shouldn't click it anymore.

  3. 13/04/08 at 0:15

    Welcome to the Internet. People be dicks, yo.

    I'm taking it this is the same guy as: http://www.youhavetobekiddingme.com/

    I wouldn't stress it.

    *cheers*

  4. 13/04/08 at 0:27

    No it doesn't out weight any of the good things people have had to say about the things I written but for some reason it that simple sentence made me feel like everything I have worked for and everything I have written in the last year was a total waste of time. I've survived far worse insults by far better people but this one.. I don't know.. I'll probably be fine come morning

  5. 13/04/08 at 0:34

    It just hit me at a bad time personally Corvida and I am sure that at any other point I would have been my usual cutting self in reply but even when I tired that there was no heart in it. As for the bitchmeme I think we are minimizing the importance of what it has brought to the surface but we'll have to see how the Godfather of Cranky is feeling come morning if I have anything else to say on it.

    I'll see what I can do about the “0 Comments” thing as well tomorrow

  6. 13/04/08 at 0:35

    Ya I know but this dick happened to open his orifice at a bad time for me.

    *cheers*

  7. 13/04/08 at 0:54

    It's too bad this conversation about comments has to be labeled a “bitchmeme”, and that Shyftr has been thrown under the bus here. I'm really disappointed for the people behind Shyftr, who up until yesterday, were excited about creating a next generation RSS feed reader with comments. When ReadWriteWeb covered them last month, nobody blinked.

    Social Feed Reading With Shyftr
    http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/social_fee

    And Plaxo and others do the same thing. Every single Shyftr-related blog post I saw this weekend from an ACTUAL Shyftr user has been positive.

    Even SheGeeks' non-positive review of Shyftr from a few weeks ago had no issues with the comments.

    Google Reader Trumps Shyftr
    http://shegeeks.net/google-reader-trumps-shyftr/

    Talk about “why bother saying anything”… “why bother developing anything” if users can be so obtuse? I hope the Godfather of Cranky isn't so obtuse tomorrow or any other day.

  8. 13/04/08 at 1:05

    Steven, if there is a need to say something, just do it. Adding something to a conversation always has value (unless you are going to bitch just for the sake of bitching, but that's not like you). It's never about right or wrong, it's about exploring the issue

  9. 13/04/08 at 1:06

    As I said to Corvida I do think that having the issues raised by this Shyftr thing being labelled as a bitchmeme is doing everyone including the folks behind Shyftr a big disservice. Personally I think we are being too quick to mouth off a bunch of glib answers from either side of the fence over something that affects a lot of people across all levels of the blogosphere.

  10. 13/04/08 at 1:12

    I probably will have something to say – right or wrong as you put it – put I don't want it seen or read in the context of a bitchmeme because as I have said above I think far bigger issues are being raised than just some simple little slap me slap you weekend exercise in togetherness.

  11. 13/04/08 at 1:24

    Steven, if I have to know whether you're having a good or bad day or not when I comment, that's a really steep hurdle to get over. I have no problem ceasing commenting where you're concerned if that will make you happier.

    If I didn't value you, I wouldn't read your blog. I will however stand by my comments. I'm a dick and a nimrod, according to your commenters here — and I'll cop to being an asshole too (not sure anyone labeled me with that one, but…).

    But if you're going to say you're not in this for the money, and then write a lot about how you're faring with making money, and writing a lot about how the system is unfair to you and others like you when it comes to making money, i'm going to call you out on being a hypocrite.

    If that makes me an a-hole, dick, or nimrod. I can live with it. I hope you can too. I'm sorry you were already having a bad day, but no offense man, that's not on me.

  12. 13/04/08 at 1:35

    Ya I know but this dick happened to open his orifice at a bad time for me.

    *cheers*

  13. 13/04/08 at 1:51

    Never said it was on you Robert to know if I was having a good or bad day which is why I had deleted the follow up comment I had posted and gawd knows I have a hard time know myself sometimes :).

    Now if I have ever given the impression that I am not in this for the money then that is my fault because the one thing I thought was always plain as the AdSense ads in the sidebars is that I would like to earn an income from doing this hence why I refer to myself as a career blogger. That said I have also said that I would be doing this even if I wasn't earning a red cent so I can understand how that confusion could arise. So just that *you* and *I* are clear from this point on – yes I want to be able to earn an income from doing this.

    Now that we have got that bullshit out of the way let's get back to doing what we like doing best – writing blog posts … and I thank you for valuing what I have to say because it was that one sentence where you basically IMO of course equated anything I had to say as not important.

  14. 13/04/08 at 2:06

    As I said to Corvida I do think that having the issues raised by this Shyftr thing being labelled as a bitchmeme is doing everyone including the folks behind Shyftr a big disservice. Personally I think we are being too quick to mouth off a bunch of glib answers from either side of the fence over something that affects a lot of people across all levels of the blogosphere.

  15. 13/04/08 at 3:18

    First of all, @Louis — one of the DOWNSIDES of a good discussion is opposing viewpoints? Did you really mean that? I don't believe the discussions you find most interesting are ones where everyone agrees with each other. Are they?

    Steven, my confusion comes from one of your (fairly recent, I think) posts where you said you just wanted to be able make enough to take your wife out for a nice meal every once in a while. If I got that wrong, I apologize…but I don't think I got that wrong.

    Just so we're clear — I never ever said you had no value, Ever. I said that I think Louis will fare better than you. I have very specific reasons for thinking that — it's long though, so I'll just e-mail it to you…

  16. 13/04/08 at 7:07

    Wow … well, I will take ownership over calling this a bitchmeme (as I clearly *said* this was going to be a bitchmeme).

    I totally agree that we do it a disservice by calling a genuine conversation a derogatory nickname, HOWEVER, I thought that by calling it what it was *already* going to be called –> http://twitter.com/duncanriley/statuses/787708091 … we can take some ownership over this thing.

    Since I've been following Techmeme (well over a year now) and participating as I do on it (I'm a bit of a Techmeme whore in the past, I admit it), sometimes I know where these other blogging detractors come from. Blogging bitchslaps are sometimes irrelevant — but sometimes its not.

    Anyway, cheer up mate.
    Robert's not such a bad guy, and you definitely are not (or, to avoid the double negative, you do, in fact, Rock)
    t @ dji

  17. 13/04/08 at 11:19

    Robert,

    A possible downside is to degree of vitriol that can occur much easier in non face to face discussions. It is much easy to call someone a name when you don't have to look them in the face. In most cases though, healthy opposition of ideas can be a good thing. Just as I know Louis' believe that the social media is the way forward he knows I don't agree with him and that really the only time we have been on level ground has been due to FriendFeed.

    And yes Robert you are correct about the post and that particular example that I use on occasion but I believe that that example is always used as a 'minimum' of what I would like to earn not the total sum. Do I want to become Arrington rich from this.. not a chance but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't like to earn more than just enough to pay the hosting fees.

    As for the email – it has been received and will be replied to – thank you in advance for taking the time in interest to do that.

  18. 13/04/08 at 11:36

    Oh I can see why it fell under the spell of being a weekend bitchmeme as it started out innocently enough and sparked enough interest that prople could pick sides and have at it. The unfortunate part of the bitchmeme is that come Monday it is generally forgotten about. Which is usually okay given the typical nature of past bitchemes but I think the matter's raised by Shyftr is more important than being relegated to a weekend slapfest.

    And thanks

  19. 13/04/08 at 11:37

    Steven – I hope you will get back to talking about this, no matter the personalities involved. It's an important topic and I don't think the discussion is over yet. I for one would like to hear what you have to say about it.

  20. 13/04/08 at 11:57

    I will be Frederic as I do think it is far more important than being relegated to a weekend slapfest but it will probably be Monday or Tuesday at the earliest as I have other things on the go at the same time.

  21. 13/04/08 at 12:57

    I will be Frederic as I do think it is far more important than being relegated to a weekend slapfest but it will probably be Monday or Tuesday at the earliest as I have other things on the go at the same time.

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