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Google Accused Of Techmeme Killing – Found Not Guilty

Posted on October 2, 2008 by Steven Hodson
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I wasn’t originally going to write about the made over Blogsearch from Google because quite frankly it’s as boring as hell. Yada yada yada Google blah blah Blogsearch snore – is about as much enthusiasm I could find for the updated offering from Google. Some folks in typical tech blogosphere fashion had declared it as the big Technorati killer when it first showed up on the scene and we can see how well that plan worked out.

Then yesterday Marshall Kirkpatrick from ReadWriteWeb came out with the totally expected post of how this revised version of Google’s Blogsearch was now the newest Techmeme killer.

If that is the case then it’s going to be a slow death by air rifle because that is going to be the only thing next to a post like Marshall’s with enough hot air to do the job. The idea that something like this revamped Blogsearch is going to be any threat to Techmeme is ridiculous for the principal reason that they are directed at two different markets.

For as much as Gabe might be wanting to expand the horizon of Techmeme the fact is that it is the playground of the tech blogosphere whereas Blogsearch in typical Google fashion is aimed shotgun fashion at the everyday web surfer.

Marshall isn’t the only one though to proclaim Google as the Techmeme murder as Duncan Riley over at The Inquisitr says pretty much the same thing. He sites Quantcast numbers for Techmeme as part of his reasoning and that Google by its 800 pound gorilla in the room attitude will inevitably bury its new competitor. Maybe Duncan will turn out to be right, but given the fact that Technorati survived the assassination attempt by Google’s first run at some sort of blog search chances are that Techmeme will do the same.

As much as people might like to bitch and complain about Techmeme it still is the place for tracking hot topics in the tech blogosphere. Even after looking over Blogsearch I gotta say I don’t get whatever principals; or algorithms, that are the basis of how google is displaying results. If you look at the page you will see a small box of text beside each of the entries in the listing that contains the number of blogs that are linked to the listed item and how long (in hours) those links have been in place.

The problem is that you can have one blog with say 150 linked blogs with ‘x’ hours and then right below it; or above, another item with more or less number of linked blogs and in the same number of hours. There is absolutely no apparent rhyme or reason for placement in the displayed list and that is utterly confusing.

When it comes to the interface differences between the two the ranking style isn’t the only difference. With Blogsearch it sports the same UI ideology as most of Google’s properties do and I gotta tell you this pastel blue crap is getting really old and boring. Not only that but even with the information displayed in Blogsearch it is limited in its presentation. Whereas with Techmeme it is – as Mathew Ingram says a little more dynamic in feeling

For one thing, I like the fact that Techmeme.com is kind of dynamic – even if I don’t really understand how it operates. Blog posts go from being a sub-link of a sub-link to being a headline post, then disappear altogether; others form their own sub-group and then get reabsorbed, and some form headlines without any links at all, which makes some people mad. It may be a black box, but I kind of like that. Fred Wilson says that he likes it because it’s more personal than just an algorithm.

Personally I don’t use Techmeme all that much and I’m really not sure how much I would even use Google’s Blogsearch but I really think that this use of killer in a headline as Digg bait is getting as old and boring as Google’s passion for pastel blue. So before we rush out to the murder scene of any service I would suggest that we wait for the autopsy before declaring Google the killer of anything because as Mark Evans quite rightly points out Google has an even better track record of putting their own products into palliative care instead of killing anything.

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Categories: Technology | Tags: blogsearch, Google, Techmeme

Please Gabe don’t listen to Dave

Posted on June 29, 2008 by Steven Hodson
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Dave Winer One has to wonder sometimes what exactly goes through the minds of some smart people. One minute they can be saying completely intelligible things that have us in awe of their lucid thoughts and the next they sound like they couldn’t connect the dots if their lives depended on it. Sometimes the disconnect is so painfully obvious that you just sit there scratching your head and wondering WTF were they thinking of. Other times you stop for a second and think maybe – just maybe they are having fun with you and forgot to smirk or something before realizing that no they really have made absolutely no sense whatsoever.

A case in point is a conversation that was started yesterday on FriendFeed by Dave Winer where he decided it was time once again to revitalized the same old Techmeme bitchmeme – well it was the weekend after all so what else is there to do eh. Anyway his opening salvo to get everything started was this gem

“Ever notice how new products almost never make it on TechMeme these days. They don’t even appear. This is loop back to why I started blogging. The industry press was ignoring the interesting stuff and only paying attention to what the BigCos were doing. Time for a new route-around coming soon?”

Which was followed shortly afterwards with this mish mash of words

I don’t feel a need to reinvent the web inside of FF. However it is part of what I do, in the same way Twitter is. I like FF better, but only marginally better. It’s very far from the ideal. None of these guys have managed to combine all the elements the way plain old HTML does it so well. It’s nice in some ways but a big step backward in others

When I read the second one I had to stop for a minute and double check exactly what the starting point of this conversation was because this was something that looked like it had staggered in from left field like a bad drunk. Besides the fact that it had absolutely nothing to do with the supposed conversation at hand it didn’t even make sense as a standalone piece of text. Well maybe it did in a Steve Gillmor on TechCrunch sort of way but not here that is for sure.

Even when Louis Gray pointed out that Techmeme did indeed show representation to startups if they were good enough; or bad enough, to garner attention from the blogosphere Dave couldn’t resist showing his me-ism again.

Louis:

Dave: I disagree to a point. If you look at Techmeme stories from my blog in May and June alone, you can see stories on Loud3r, Feedly, Disqus, Sezwho, FFToGo, and Shyftr, for example. It could be that Techmeme is accurately monitoring the most discussed blogs, and that the vast majority of these blogs are talking less about new products.

Dave:

Louis — that’s kind of the point — those products didn’t launch well, and with no slight to you — I haven’t heard of them because I depend on TechMeme to tell me what’s important in the tech world. TechMeme does what it does well, but it has some real limits and the industry has shaped around those limits, just as the industry shaped around the limits of the press in the pre-Internet era and during the browser and Java wars in the 90s

The point here is that Louis pointed out some valid cases where Techmeme did do what it was programmed to do and as result those startups mentioned by Louis did make onto Techmeme. Just because Dave didn’t see them doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen – or does it? How anyone could have missed the dust up that hit everywhere; Techmeme included, over Shyftr is beyond me but Dave seems to which should make the Shyftr team pretty happy since that means all that negative discussion over their service never happened.

Now I’m not a big user of Techmeme but I do drop by the site at least three or four times a week when I’m bored and there is nothing else to read but I have seen plenty of product announcement or at least product launches being talked about by bloggers. Whether it has been Adobe AIR or another one of those minor little programs like Vista right through to NoiseRiver if it is being talked about in the blogosphere it shows up on Techmeme. Mind you this might not be the same blogosphere that Dave wanders around in but it seems to work for the rest of us just fine.

Is Techmeme perfect – probably not but what it was designed for it does a great job even if at times it seems to be more of an echo chamber. That isn’t the fault of Techmeme though. If any blame is to be passed around for that it is the bloggers with nothing of value to add other than practicing their cut ‘n paste skills. Sure there are things we all would like service like Techmeme to do especially if it means we get more eyeballs out of it but that doesn’t mean that the service needs to be screwed with.

Could Techmeme be expanded up by giving us more segments of the tech blogosphere as individual memes – probably but chances are that even then some wouldn’t be happy. I do give Gabe credit though for at least listening and trying to figure out the best way to try and keep everyone happy but the fact is he won’t be able to.

In the end it boils down to this – Gabe you keep doing what you are doing. Tweak Techmeme where you think it needs it and add where you think it will best serve your brand and the community but think twice about listening to people who are probably just pissed because their products didn’t get enough Techmeme time.

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Categories: Technology | Tags: Dave Winer, Gabe Rivera, Techmeme

From the Pipeline – 5.27.08

Posted on May 27, 2008 by Steven Hodson
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I got such a late start today I’ve felt like I’ve been trying to catch up the best I can. Hopefully I’ll be more on track tomorrow but in the meantime here’s some of the things that caught my eye in today’s FriendFeed pipeline.

The Social Networking Arms Race :: ReadWriteWeb – Josh Catone takes a look at the competing social network platforms from Google and Facebook and whether or not they really matter.

Twitter: Show Me Added Value if You Want Me to Pay :: Verge New Media – with all the talk about Twitter needing a business model and the idea of users paying for the service Jim Long takes a real good serious look at the idea.

Facebook: Yep, we’re doing the open-source thing :: Webware – one of the many reports out there about Facebook supposedly open sourcing its platform to developers.

Who Are The “Digitally Savvy?” :: ReadWriteWeb – Sarah Perez takes a look at a report that basically tells us that the richer segment of society are the most tech savvy. Like DUH! as if that couldn’t be figured out easily enough without an expensive report.

Techmeme vs. Hacker News :: Mathew Ingram – Mathew does a quick comparison between Techmeme and news aggregator newcomer Hacker News

Simplicity is the new flexible :: Coding Experiments – A look at how the new things like FriendFeed Rooms compared against old style forums and how this is a sign of simplicity  becoming the new new norm.

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Categories: Odds & Ends | Tags: Facebook, Hacker News, ReadWriteWeb, social network, Techmeme, Twitter

From the Pipeline – 5.26.08

Posted on May 26, 2008 by Steven Hodson
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Another Monday done with almost and a fairly productive one me I think. I just wish I had more day like this one but hey you can’t always have golden days I guess. In the meantime here’s a few things that caught my eye in today’s FriendFeed pipeline.

Sometimes Crowds Aren’t That Wise :: ReadWriteWeb – Josh Catone has a look at SitePoint’s experience with the Digg crowd – or rather lack of it for a really stupid reason – a digg member not engaging their brain before posting. Big surprise there.

FriendFeed Is Going To Kill Google Reader, Not Twitter :: Loic Le Meur – a rather disjointed opinion from the man behind Seesmic about who FriendFeed has in their mythical sights to get rid off.

New Word On Firefox 3 Add-Ons :: The Inquisitr – some links to info and add-ons for everyone’s favorite browser.

Scooped: Who Brought the Story to Techmeme First? :: Louis Gray – Louis cracks out the facts and figures as only he can to show how you can use the new Techmeme search to see who wrote those breaking stories.

The Grey Lady gets jiggy with APIs :: Mathew Ingram – Mathew has a few thoughts about New York Times announcement of making a developer API available but to tell you the truth I couldn’t pass up not posting this for the headline alone. Jiggy … LOL

Reddit Gets a Re-Design: More Shiny and Useful, Still Fast and Simple :: Mashable – Adam Ostrow has the latest word on the new and improved reddit which is now up and running. Not sure how much I like a couple of the changes but we’ll see.

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Categories: Odds & Ends | Tags: Firefox, FriendFeed, Mathew Ingram, ReadWriteWeb, reddit, Techmeme
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