Posts with tag "tagging"

Is it really about the conversation?

What is blogging about - reallyYesterday I wrote about how I felt that this new obsession with shared feeds and the new services that are aggregating them was only part of the answer to being able to create and track conversations within the blogosphere. It was my opinion that the other part of the equation; and the more important one, was the use of tags – or idea markers – to enable us to create RSS feeds based on those tags and available through a service like Technorati.

After I posted that I had a chance to actually try and build out the idea as I outlined in a reply to a comment made to the post on how to create such an RSS feed at Technorati. Once I posted  the reply I started to realize that there are two fundamental problems with what I had proposed.

The first problem lies with Technorati and how they implement being able to search by tags. Even with a simple one word search by tags doesn’t always return results as I found out when I tried to search for the very word I coined – ideastreaming – and have used as a tag whenever I talk about the idea. When I searched for ideastreaming it returned no results for any authority and yet I have at least four or five posts with it as a tag.

Interestingly enough when I use the tag lifestreaming it does return results but even there they are questionable as when I check one of the returned link (Somewhat Frank) there were no Technorati tag links anywhere on the page however I did see the word lifestreaming as one of the words in a list of Popular Articles for the site. As a result I can only think that Technorati’s implementation of tags and their use as search terms is broken. If not broken then at least the whole way in which they are used is in some severe need of an overhaul.

More importantly though it doesn’t matter one iota how much work Technorati does to try and improve their tag searching and indexing if they don’t have anything to work with in the first place. I had thought that the use of Technorati tags – especially within the tech blogosphere – was fairly commonplace. As it turns out this could very well be far from the case; but to make sure even if just for myself I spent a few hours double checking this against the blogs within my own RSS feeds.

Keeping my range to just those blogs that where within tech related news and information itself I found the following from the 80 blogs I checked:

62 blogs made absolutely no use of tags at all
These blogs ranged from ones like Robert Scoble to professed social media types like Jeremiah Owyang

6 blogs used the new WordPress tagging which points inward to the blog content rather than outward to and possible conversation

3 blogs used del.icio.us tagging instead of Technorati – //engtech, rexblog and Douglas Karr

8 blogs used Technorati tagging – mini-microsoft, newsome.org, Nordquist, Karoli, PR 2.0, Windows Live Writer Plugins, /message, Chris Brogan

So in effect 10% of the blogs checked even took the time to include Technorati tags that could have lead them to being a part of any real wide ranging conversation – either as an originator or as a participant.

Where does this leave us? Well as far as I can see any illusion of idea sharing or conversation beyond the limited scope of whatever blogging circle you find yourself in is pretty well dead in the water. New ideas and new conversation have a very hard time breaking into closed circles and as long as we don’t provide avenues by which we can easily expand our source of new thoughts we become stagnant and repetitive.

Just as Technorati; or even del.icio.us, are losing out by not making it easy for us and our readers to find conversations we are losing out even more so by not taking advantage of any method at our disposal to expand our circle of ideas and conversation.

Until we do any talk of blogging being about the sharing of ideas and conversation is bullshit.


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Tags – the powerful way to aggregate information

Tag yer it .. (tags)catch, tag, playing(/tags) Long before the whole idea of blogging became the hot way to share you thoughts about just about anything in the world tags and tagging were worlds best associated with games played by children in the schoolyard or in the corner park. Then along came the whole idea of blogs and the way it gave us to write about our world and our lives.

In the beginning though it was at most a solitary exercise with maybe just friends and family reading them. No thought was really given to the fact that a couple of words could be used as a common word to provide conversation keywords on a larger scale so that other blogs around the world could participate in a larder conversion beyond their own little world. After all the whole purpose of blogging; or at least a major part of it and tags gave us that window into the larger blogosphere conversation. It also is a great way to find new bloggers worthy of adding to your blog roll.

So how do tags work?

Well for the blog writer it is a simple way to create a list of keywords that can be considered to identify the idea, content and people you talk about in a post. For example the tags for this post could be something like this:

[tags]blogging, bloggers, tags, tagging[/tags]

Now behind the scenes you need as blog search engine that will grab the post contents and then associate it with any of the tags provided in the post. So for example if you were to search a blog search engine that supports the tagging system – such a Technorati – and you used any one of the tags supplied Technorati would return search results what have a greater emphasis on one; or all, of the tags you have added to the post.

That said blogging is not the only technology that could make good use of tagging as it would have a better chance of return results more coherent to what your question was. This was one of the reasons when I heard that Thunderbird (email client from Mozilla) was going to support tagging I couldn’t download it quick enough only to be disappointed with the implementation. All that had done was rename the “Flagged items” into a tag like structure. For me this was the wrong idea and went against the prime reason for using tags.

This same feeling was equally prominent when I heard that WordPress was going to institute their own version of tagging. Instead they have defeated the whole purpose of tags being used to encourage conversation outside of your own blog. Tags were the powerful glue that allowed us to include a larger part of the community to partake within a conversation even if they weren’t the one to start it. For me the WordPress implementation was flawed and did nothing to help a blogger grow by finding other blogs talking about the same thing. The moment tags became a pat of the default WordPress way of doing things they cut the outward conversation off at the knees.

But tags don’t need to just be the realm of blogging as there are other programs that could easily use tags to make the user experience more productive if the program had a way to communicate and share based on using tags as keyword indicators within there receiving and sending of data. This idea became a sound thought during an email conversation I had with Deva from ClearContext – especially considering how they want to be able to deal with email information management.

As with the system we now know as RSS and invented by Dave Winder simplicity of managing information doesn’t always need complex methods to achieve an end – sometimes the simplest thing/idea/concept can yield the best results. To which nothing gets easier – especially from the user point of view, the more complicated you make the process of getting and managing that information.

But with tags nothing is easier than adding a few keywords as part of an email to open a vast new world of being able to collaborate with nothing less that a few key words added to the end of the email.

Sometimes simplicity is truly the best way to create a groundbreaking way to enhance and improve our communications.


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Why WordPress 2.3 tags are wrong

Links are meant to go outward not inward. As pointed out in a post today, Louis Gray makes note of the recurring angst over linking habits and the various rankings types now available for bloggers. In amongst his well written overview was the reference to Yuvi the StatBot coder who did an analysis of TechCrunch which pointed out that it is one of the biggest tech blogs for linking back to itself rather than to originating content.

While the very size and popularity of blogs like TechCrunch let it get away with this type of behavior the fact is that blogs depend on the inter-connectivity that comes from linking to other blogs in order to either begin a conversation or add to an existing one. The idea of linking back internally to one’s own posts rather than to outbound linking destroys this conversation building which is suppose to be the backbone of the blogosphere.

One of the primary methods that this outbound linking has been done especially with WordPress blogs was the ability with plugins was create tags that when the post was published were directed to the Technorati service which would then provide you with a list of other blogs using similar tags; and as a result enabling you; or your readers being able to partake in the larder conversation around those tags.

This was the simple beauty of being able to being in the larger conversation pool and a way albeit not always the best way to bring traffic to your blog.

With the newest release of the WordPress blogging platform though all this has changed with the tagging system now being a native part of the package. Unfortunately though the WP implementation of tagging goes totally against the whole original idea of tags as being a way to expand outward.

No longer if you use the native implementation of tagging in your WordPress blog are you pointing to outbound source but instead you are following what is being decried as a negative practice of deeplinking back to within your own blog – a case of mini-TechCrunching so to speak.

This practice as far as I am concerned is not right and totally goes against one of the basic tenets of blogging which is to expand the conversation where ever possible. As such this so-called new feature of WordPress’ tagging is a step backward and show be discouraged from being used.

Thank goodness there are still 3rd party plugins that let you use tags in the manner I believe they were meant to be used. Myself I use Simple Tags but there are also Ultimate Tag Warrior or TechnoTags. Any of these three would be my recommendations if you want to help; and promote, involvement in larger conversations rather than being a part of a closed conversation by using the new tagging feature in WordPress 2.3.

On top of this idea of being a part of a larger conversation there is also the fact that I have been reading many reports of problems folks are having trying to implement this new feature which should give you further reasons to tread cautiously.

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Tagging is broken

Just a cranky old fart's opinion When I first starting doing this blogging thing I wasn’t quite sure what the concept of using tags was other than a lot of people were talking about it and just about every blog I read was using them. It took a bit before this tired old brain managed to get itself wrapped around them but when I did I realized that this oh so simple concept was a powerful way to bring disparate ideas and conversations together within a single thread.

The most common example of this is the Technorati tags one sees at the end of blog posts and that clicking on them will send you to the Technorati site where you will have blog posts listed that have used the same tag. The simplicity and ease of this method of finding related conversations that are going on while not earth shattering it is a different way of looking at information flows. I even used this idea of tags as part of my thoughts on ideastreaming.

Unfortunately this simple and concise way of consolidating conversations in easy to find ways has become next to useless because of it being used now as a catch-all term for categorizing things rather than identifiers by which we can group conversations and ideas.

I remember when Thunderbird announced that 2.0 was going to support tagging and I couldn’t download it quick enough. Here I thought I would be able to have tags that could be a person, a topic of discussion or even an single word; and then be able to have that tag as a single mail folder or to be able to attach as a part of a larger conversation mail folder structure. What I got instead was nothing more than a warmed over and renamed Outlook type of flagging system. Sorry but that is not tagging.

Then as I wrote earlier today I had my first brush with the new version of WordPress that had supposed tagging support built right in. Unfortunately the reality of this so-called implementation of tags is no different than what I experienced with Thunderbird. With WordPress tags are now synonymous with categories and from what I have seen so far they point inward to categories of content which is in my cranky old fart’s opinion the exact opposite of what tags are meant to be used for.

As faulty as the Technorati tagging may have been at times it at least allowed us to be a part of a conversation flow if we wanted. the concept promoted reaching out and sharing of ideas and thoughts. Tagging provides us with a unique methodology to track and participate in conversation and ideas but right now I only see it as a very broken system bordering on being totally useless.


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WordPress 2.3: Item 1 – tagging confusion

WordPress 2.3 With the release of the 2.3 version of WordPress a number of changes to blogging platform have obviously been made and as painless as it was to update one of my other blogs I am confused by one of the new features.

As of 2.3 WordPress has added internal tagging support on two different levels. The first level from what I could see when I was going through checking for new stuff is the option to convert your categories to tags.

Why?

This is one change that I just don’t get at all. What is the advantage of doing this, unless it is suppose to provide an easier tie in to the post level tagging feature they have added; and this is where my second point of confusion arises.

One of the points; at least from this old fart’s perspective, of the whole tagging thing is that it provides bloggers with the ability to link to other conversations in the blogosphere via connectors like Technorati, del.icio.us or any of the other services like those two.

But from what I can see from either reading about the feature or by visiting sites already running 2.3 with this internal WP support enabled is that all the tags are pointed inward towards the blog’s own content. If this is the case it is as about as bad as deep linking from with in a post to one’s own content about a subject rather than pointing to the originating conversation point.

How is this pointing inwards helping to promote conversation?

I don’t get it. If this is indeed the case then it’s a stupid feature and one that I won’t be using.


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