Posts with tag "metrics"

Braindead TechCast EP16: The failure of ridiculous Social Media metrics

Tonight’s show starts out with me having a little bit of a bitch session about hard plastic cables and how much of a pain they are but it isn’t long before Sean and I jump into the meat of the show starting with a discussion over the news that Joel Spolsky of Joel on Software blogging fame is quitting blogging.

It appears that he feels that blogging – especially to do it right -is turning out to be a major time suck that is affecting his business. Given the fact that Joel is a forerunner of the whole blogging thing it is hard to see him decide to retire; but have been a reader of his on and off for years I wonder how long it will be before he makes a come-back.

Next up is a quick side-step to talk about the stupidity of Viacom in pulling The Daily Show and The Colbert Report from Hulu.

We finally end up the show talking about this whole CrunchGate fiasco and the video posted today by Loren Feldman which in its own way – in our opinion – was also a bad move by Loren. This leads us into a discussion about Social Media and the metrics used.

Posts referred to in the show

Let’s Take This Offline – Inc.com
A Fond Farewell – Hulu Blog
A confession: I was the one who came forward about the Macbook Air – Sam Odio
Crunchgate – The Blame Game – 1938Media

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EP16: The failure of ridiculous Social Media metrics

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CobWEBs Daily Edition podcast: Don’t forget your running shoes

cbn1-podpost On the eve of when the world will change forever as Steve Jobs brings us salvation in the form of some sort of tablet Sean and I spend tonight’s show talking about – Twitter.

Yes folks the mundane and boring world of Twitter and its numbers. Thanks to the crew at The Next Web we have something other than the stupidity surround the non-stop drooling over something not even here yet because this is where I found out about RJMetrics and their released study of Twitter.

Sure we could have talked about running shoes – oh wait .. we did .. oh well I guess there are the Zune rumors that we can fill out some time with.

As well I close out the show with a plea to my fans – the one or two that there are out there.

Posts referenced in the show.

Are There Only 15 Million Active Twitter Users? – The Next Web
New Data on Twitter’s Users and Engagement – RJMetrics
Rambler shoes Tweet with each step – Slippery Brick
Updated Zune software drivers hints at Zune “Phone” - istartedsomething.com

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Finding your breadcrumbs

Collecting those breadcrumbs As I was writing my post about evangelism this morning I began thinking about something else that not only relates to bloggers but even to those folks who enjoy spending their time being a part of the conversation. For bloggers though this spreading of our ideas, our thoughts and conversation can cause worry and concern over loss of readership and for a large percentage – ad dollars.

The main argument being used against this diaspora of the conversation around our blogs is because we lose out on those all important page views. It is those page views that dictate in the eyes of the ad networks what we are worth to them. I have argued for some time that this whole concept especially for bloggers is a very broken system. A system that breaks down even further as we find ourselves involved with FriendFeed or Twitter and trying to strengthen our brand there.

Advertisers have to come to a realization that they are not dealing with static single site brands anymore but with a brand that can literally be spread across the blogosphere. The problem is then is how do we show advertisers the breadth and strength of our brand. How do we show them that we are heavily involved with things like FriendFeed or Twitter. How do we show them that our brand name is recognized as leading commenters on other blogs. How do we show them that we care about our brand and do everything we to promote it and there by making it worth their while to be associated with our brand.

The old metrics that we have grown to rely on over the years no longer work. As it is you can never get any two sets of metrics to even come close to matching in values. The time has come; and becoming more important every day, for bloggers to have a reliable set of tools that can create involvement reports of where you have been out putting your brand in front of the people.

The first of these tools could very well be showing up if Cyndy’s post the other day on Profy.com is any indication. The service she was reporting on is called filtrbox of which the free version will allow up to 10 filters which it will then use to crawl the web to find relevant information to those filters. Right now it is in private beta so I am waiting to see if I get an invite before I can really see if this will even start to accomplish what I think needs to be done.

I think the time has come for bloggers to stop relying so much on antiquated metrics and start finding ways to collect all those breadcrumbs we leave lying around the web. Maybe is enough of us do that the advertisers will begin to see that those crumbs could actually be nuggets of gold.

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From the Pipeline – 4.21.08

What a fun day it’s been – after all it’s not very often that one gets called a chickenshit by the illustrious Dave Winer as I was today … think I’ll mark that one on the calendar. In the meantime here’s a few things from today’s FriendFeed pipeline.

Tracking a Techmeme meme :: Online Media Cultist – Eric has a few thoughts about Techmeme, TechCrunch and Dave Winer and the nonsense from the weekend.

Share Any Web Page with FeedDemon :: Nick Bradbury – I love tips for using FeedDemon and today Nick gives us one for sharing any web page with FeedDemon on your shared links feed in FeedDemon.

Blogging metrics gone wild :: Marketing Mystic – Mia has a few thoughts about metrics and why she thinks that blogs need their own metrics system.

FriendFeedMachine Debuts New Approach to FriendFeed :: Louis Gray – Louis is up to his usual tricks of finding and introducing new services to us. This time it is one that reworks FriendFeed.

Where’s My Toluu Enthusiasm? :: SheGeeks – Corvida finds she isn’t as enthused with Toluu as she once was; and she explains why.

Twitter: grabbing defeat from the jaws of success :: Robert Scoble – Roberts thinks Twitter could be heading in to some rough times with its userbase. One has to wonder that if it does and given FriendFeed’s continual growth and popularity whether Pownce or Jaiku even have any relevance any more.

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Technorati – a way forward

Technorati Over the past little while there has been  quite a bit of talk about new Top 100 lists with people like TechCrunch, Gabe Rivera and Robert Scoble mashing up Google Reader numbers or Techmeme coming out with the Leaderboard. All through this has been a background thread about how Technorati was falling by the wayside as a reliable service to use.

Well I for one; even with it’s recent struggling, like Technorati and like a lot of bloggers have something of an investment in it. After all it is holding almost a year’s worth of tagged posts from WinExtra within its database. While that may not be all that valuable at this moment it could be in the long tail. The value may not necessarily be monetary; although as traffic increases that does change, but more the value of conversation and ideas.

During the last week Doug Karr had a piece he wrote on his feelings about Technorati which saw Ian Kallen from Technorati comment on Doug’s thoughts. Then yesterday I posted about a slightly larger issue of the A-List and the whole ranking thing. This morning I found that Ian had been good enough to join in the conversation and I set about replying to his comment only to find that what was starting as a reply developed into more of a post so Ian here is my reply to your comment :)

Ian,

First off as a blog low on the pecking order thanks for taking the time to add your voice to the conversation here – I appreciate your feedback as well.

As for the pecking order I see nothing wrong with it at all even if WinExtra would be considered as one occupying a lower spot in that order. As Doug Karr pointed out and I totally agree with this is a good thing as it gives all of us a metric by which we can gauge the success; or failure, of what we are doing.

The problem as you point out is with the pecking order criteria and how it is arrived at and then implemented. I think one thing that is missing is our involvement with that process. As it stands right now Technorati is the deciding force in what is considered as a blog or a as a splog. Could it possibly be that this is one area where Technorati could benefit from a crowdsourcing philosophy where we the user’s of  Technorati have some method by which we could flag a linked site as a possible splog? I know there have been more than a few splog/blogs that I didn’t want as part of my Authority “trail”.

I understand the problem as well trying to figure out the segmentation criteria. We have mainstream media daily hopping on the blog bandwagon and because of their natural big name drawing power they are helping to push the traditional and small blogs out of the stream of conversation. Along with that you have the new media conglomerates blogs like TechCrunch and others that are competing against the traditional mainstream media move which again is taking the conversation flow away from smaller blogs.

I don’t envy Technorati’s situation at this point as it is also having to stay alive in an increasingly active field of metrics. I do think that the company has two very big strengths. The first one is the long time blogger following that has developed around Technorati and while in the past year the company seems to have been more interested is abandoning us for the larger (and unattainable I am afraid) search industry I do believe that the core service of providing a stable and reliable ranking service not only benefits bloggers but it will also provide internet users with a valuable resource as the blogging field becomes even more mainstream.

The other area where I think Technorati is ahead of the field is its growing data of tagged information. To me this primarily untapped resource has potential both now and for the future. As I pointed out in my post on Ideastreaming give me a RSS hook into a tag or even a series of tags. Let me have a way to see what has been written, is being written and a way to be updated on new additions to that tagged stream of ideas/conversations. Heck let’s get really crazy here and how about an advertising platform based on tags. Let advertisers hook into the tagging system and provide ads based around conversations.

I really believe that Technorati has all the pieces to the puzzle; some of which may not even be apparent yet, but one thing is for sure – blogging will be a growth industry. Even as the current early adopter type A-Listers hop skip and jump to the next shiny new thing the core of serious bloggers will continue to grow and services like Technorati could be an integral part of that growth.


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And from Dave Winer – a moment of sanity

Techmeme Leaderboard being gamed already In less time that it takes a hooker to stroll her corner the new Techmeme Leaderboard has in the words of Dave Winerbecome a cesspool where the past masters of link baiting have risen to the challenge to claim their spots at the top of this newest popularity metric.

Dave is a little more blunt in pointing out the main “idiot responsible for the most recent attempt to game the new system by proclaiming to know what Web 3.0 is all about; which is incredibly stupid when the whole concept of Web 2.0 is questionable to begin with. On the one hand we have Rex Hammock who thinks that Web 2.0 is nothing but nonsense and then on the flip side there is Stowe Boyd who suggests that while we might have inklings of what Web 3.0 might it doesn’t include the inane ramblings of someone like Jason Calacanis using the terminology to flog his newest shiny thing.

So while Jason is out there prostituting himself with intentional flame bait phrases to climb the Leaderboard and Scoble is being his usual attention seeking self in order to play tag with Jason on the Leaderboard climb to the top, we have a ranking system that was already heavily weighted to the big names in the blogosphere being further perverted for nothing more than assuaging egos.

Even though Scott Karp tries to offer some serious suggestions to the Techmeme team to help combat this totally expected bastardization of well meaning intentions the fact is that it took less than a day to totally fuck up yet another metric. While some of the comments on the various posts call Dave Winer a jealous whiner and that the Leaderboard is still inherent valuable are missing the point.

Any metric is only as good as the data it is representing. the moment you have even one person screwing with that data; whether just for fun (yuk yuk) and to enhance their own standing the whole metric becomes suspect and borderline useless as an even close representation of what is happening in the blogosphere.


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Taking a look at Clicky – analytics for your blog

logo-clicky I’m a sucker for analytics of blog traffic – especially for my own blogs and up until my recent run in with hosting problems I had been using FireStats which is a stats plugin for WordPress users. I still like FireStats a lot but since my hosting problems I have been looking at off-site solutions for various things to do with the blog because I really don’t want to relive having to deal with that problem again.

The most logical plugin to try using an outside source to handle in my opinion was the stats one. Now I know everyone is going to say go Google man - to which I reply No! This isn’t to say that I haven’t tried the Google service before but I don’t like it. I can’t give any real reasons as to why … I just don’t like it.

Previously I had written about the stats service provided by Performancing.com thinking that it looked pretty good. Then I was informed by Doug Karr; a fellow blogger, that it looked suspiciously like a repackaged version of the Clicky Analytics service – which in fact it did.

Click Web Analytics - click for larger view Just before the hosting problems I decided to sign up with Clicky to see how well it worked and so after my hosting problem was solved I figured why not use them full time. After all they provided all the metrics I wanted and with a very nice and easy to navigate interface; which is a nice plus. Not to mention the Spy option which displays whose visiting in real time. I imagine this is some fancy use of AJAX but it is only available in the Pro account and the 21 day trial period.

As far as cost Clicky has three different prices depending on your needs:

  • Basic – Free, up to 3 sites, up to 1,000 average daily page views per site. Limited feature set.
  • Blogger – $2.99/month or $19.99/year. Up to 3 sites and 10,000 average daily page views total (between all sites). Includes extra features like RSS feeds, Spy, outbound link tracking, download tracking, IP tagging, IP filtering, and more.
  • Pro / Small business – $5.99/month or $49.99/year. Up to 10 sites and 50,000 average daily page views total. Includes all features from ‘Blogger’ plan, plus full custom data tracking (usernames, etc), SSL support, full API access, and data export.

At this point I am still on the free trial period but I think once it it up I’ll definitely be checking my PayPal account to see if I can afford the Blogger level account. Sure I could go with free services but I kinda like being able to say thanks for hard work well done with a few bucks.

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Second time around brings a better product

The New Performancing Metrics It’s not very often that a re-incarnation of a service or product brings a lot of improvements over the original. In the case of Performancing Metrics this is indeed the case.

I had used the original metrics package and while I was generally happy with the service I didn’t think it was as well rounded as some of the other 3rd party services or even the available plugins for WordPress.

Then today I noticed in another blog post that Performancing Metrics was back and supposedly better than before. Needless to say I hopped over to the new Metrics page to see for myself and for once the hype proved to be true and on top of that my old account was still active which made signing in nice and easy.

The first thing I noticed was the nice clean look to all the pages and the second was the RSS feed for your stats which I think is a great addition; and could possibly be the clincher for me. The available visitor information was also easy to navigate around in. The other thing that is different from the previous incarnation of Metrics is that they have a free package as well as a premium one. While options like the RSS Feed are only available in the premium service (and part of the free package for 21 days) the price for the upgrade is only $14.99 which I may seriously consider depending on how my testing goes during the free 21 day trial.

All in all though I think the folks at Performancing have done a great job with this version of their Metrics service and are improvements that definitely puts them back in the metrics business.

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